One would hope that mpls vpns do better than hop-by-hop opportunistic encryption. Mpls is for traffic engineering, and that engineering seems at odds with opportunistic encryption. Lloyd Wood http://about.me/lloydwood ________________________________________ From: Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 11:13:08 PM To: Wood L Dr (Electronic Eng) Cc: brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Unhelpful draft names > mpls encryption? I mean, dumb and dumberererer, right? put the P into mpls-based v_ns randy