Dave, I agree with Tom's statement that there is too much corporate marketing around this hackathon. On Feb 24, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Dave Crocker <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 2/24/2015 11:25 AM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: >> I¹ll take the blame for the unfortunately short notice. We started >> planning only a couple weeks ago, and thought that having something at >> IETF 92 is better than nothing. > > > It's important that we be careful not to consider this in terms of > blaming anyone about this (or any, IMO) specific event. Each of the > activities -- certainly including this one -- is fully worthy. > > However there is a long-standing pattern of late announcements of > special activities surrounding IETF Week. > > I see this as a presumption about who can and will attend, namely the > hard-core devotees who have the funding and long-term commitment to attend. I fully disagree with this statement and it is very disrespectful. I know many people personally who have been coming to IETF for more then 25 years and they are interested in such a hackathon, but can't change their plans. > > The problem is with who this de facto excludes. IMO, too many people Dean > > I think the important issue to for all of us to get our heads in a place > that worries about more advanced notice. Once we think of 2- or 3-month > (or whatever we feel appropriate) deadlines, we will all come up with > ideas for activities as we usually do -- last-minute -- but relative to > the earlier deadline, rather than the actual event. > > d/ > -- > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net >