On Feb 16, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Stewart Bryant <stbryant@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > As engineers our goal should be to make this sort of technology > just work so that no one is doing any significant work behind the > scenes to make it work. Yup. This needs to be reduced to practice, and I think we ought to be making that an IETF objective, not just something that we're noticing some nice people doing for us. Of course, this may or may not actually be possible.