On 8/13/14, 12:02 AM, Nico Williams wrote: > > Legend has it that there was once a meeting in Hawaii, and nothing got > done. The beach and all that. Truth time: I *did* get to the beach. For an hour out of a week. And I didn't go to the luau. I had an image of spam, pig and poy and, well, no. My mistake. I remember that there were both productive and unproductive discussions, many of them heated like today. One key discussion was around what the recommended IGP should be. The claim was made that DV was fundamentally more CPU-efficient than Dijkstra, and well that argument lost both on practical merits and the fact that a vendor with a patent (its first) was pushing DV. The word "open" was already subject to abuse in that meeting. The IETF shut down ODV as a result of the patent concerns. We weren't ready as an organization to deal with licensing issues, declarations, etc. Good thing, too. Then there was also discussion around OSI transition, but I think there was some disagreement about which way the transition was to go ;-) I distinctly remember Chuck Hedrick breaking up the room, asking in an OSI world, what email address he should put on his business card. Marshall reported out on Quippu, which was this massive code base of X.500 that he and Steve Kille had worked on. Say what you will about the code, the experience assuredly led to modern day ldap. That was a big deal. And then there was DHCP. After an unbounded but fun discussion at the previous meeting, this group made the critical decision to focus on initializing the network layer as its primary task. That was a huge step forward and non-obvious at the time. Good on Ralph for ordering the chaos! Bringing this back to what I wrote earlier, at the time there was very much more of a feeling of the committee of the whole. I think that's a useful feature that we should strive for, because it allows for healthy and broad architectural discussions. I doubt we can do so on such a small scale ever again, but this list can help. Sorry if that sounds meta, Mike. I also remember that the cost of getting to HI from CA was considerably cheaper than other locations at the time, but we did have a perception problem. Eliot
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