Kathleen, Thanks, well understood indeed... I hear you. Medel Ramirez Globe Telecom, Inc. Manila , Philippines. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Moriarty, Kathleen Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:11 AM To: Melinda Shore; Peter Saint-Andre Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: RE: IETF Diversity A little earlier in the thread, ways to improve things came up. I presented at an international conference in Bangkok this week on the subject area covered by MILE. While the focus was intended to be more on how we can look at the problem space to make faster/more effective progress, standards will enable some of those activities. The second half of the talk provided background on MILE, what we are trying to do and gave the audience a general challenge as well as had specific requests for help. My last slide was on how to engage in the IETF. Outreach and helping people understand how they can be effective within the IETF may be useful for other WGs as well and could help improve diversity. I had 2 requests following the talk to give the same presentation at other conferences and will likely do them to assist in this area as well as to make faster progress (and hopefully drive people to think about how to share information more effectively. There are many opportunities for people to help in this space. Best regards, Kathleen ________________________________________ From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore [melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:00 PM To: Peter Saint-Andre Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: IETF Diversity On 6/19/13 7:56 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Why do you believe that my opinions are unexamined? I have been > thinking and reading about social, cultural, and personal change for a > very long time. You made an assertion that's at least a little ahistorical, you used it to support an argument against organizational change, and when I disagreed you went to the "Let's not talk about it" place. Melinda This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or the entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary, confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this E-mail message immediately.