On 6/19/13 9:22 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 6/19/13 7:16 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> Actually I see lots of structural problems -- I just happen to be of the >> mindset that working from the bottom up is the only sustainable model >> for change. > > Don't know about that one. In the US, at least, legal mandates > have typically led social change, at least when it comes to civil > rights, etc. That's a topic for the ietf-philosophy discussion list, methinks. :-) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/