-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 6/12/13 12:44 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 6/12/13 12:38 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> On 12/06/2013 15:16, ned+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >>> Dave Cridland wrote: >>>> I strongly feel that positive statements have value, as they >>>> allow the community to gauge the level of review and >>>> consensus, and I suspect that human nature means that we get >>>> more reviews if people get to brag about it. >>> Agreed 100%. >>> >>> But also consider the likely effect of calling certain >>> comments "useless". >>> >>> Discussions like this don't exactly fire me up with enthusiasm >>> to expend additional time reviewing and commenting on documents >>> not directly related to what I do. And I rather doubt I'm alone >>> in this. >> You are not alone. I do occasional reviews of documents not >> directly related to what I do. But I hate paperworks. And if I >> would be required to fill in 10 pages questionnaire about why I >> think the document is in a good shape, I probably will stop >> doing such reviews altogether. > > Much as I love Pete, IMHO this thread started because in good > curmudgeonly style he needed something to grump at. In this > instance, I suggest we just keep doing what we've always been > doing. To clarify: I reject kings, presidents, and voting. But I do believe in the delete key. If you think that these "+1" messages are useless, don't factor them into your thinking about whether we have consensus. If you think that these "+1" messages are actively harmful (e.g., by leading to groupthink or poisoning our very understanding of what it means for us to reach consensus), then proceed as Pete is proceeding. I think these messages are useless, not harmful. But perhaps I have more confidence in the inherent skepticism of your average IETF participant than Pete does... Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.19 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRuMygAAoJEOoGpJErxa2p+FYP/iB8QDp6rQ8AdB+hcweMUWFF lJ1zhGlI0KIaHFzvzLm68FUyjNv4373nRninqq1biS5Uj3wjKgm4Q1rM0kL46mM0 ETVkD916HB3u11nQd0akjtR22TO2I847Ka+HE+2waPUBfDHCaxD8vxPD7lbVI3J9 QlEgxhUobppvHfsKpWHHJaBd9EF+Q4r5dIAhQX3tt7xLi6bupm5X4byAljaFiw7+ JB3c+7xmu767+NFMe7/839fRfRnO8K15c2fkbheY0bHLH9qlwMoUr5DnvYchByXw SrcZRnYZMaB5zvmYV0Q8TmHCGb3i9R+PIDbvIUL9p95ega8lDi9a5qKA/wN1lEdy GgkJ1mY/WmhcSEVtYPnUk0ZnmM/ZBjcuZw4lS8h9bXr8LMfCOyp2z6WehrgRXPob GNu2e5geD9ARJ0Y0f8etjj29Fh79LD+U1zEdH0UyMqu+AVJObX9U/+tIwixz7sa4 DR2zsf+OPGcOXWwGyEhE/WwPOFOCwEatdyBGU9g2mPIhnbPrNUwddfCvTFXsdNcZ 9e4ULnN+/xqictSyyoCBLXazNnAcbjssLhEz/Mw3yTtlOQk0UKKYUvxydFcmxY6l bqheTm5a/3+VV1G6S4CflYeW4bWxKyiQSgo2N2+BSxrQFnzcFd3up3F3LhH6NYu8 f4MHTt0kpZp8MC2JAJjW =7/LJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----