On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:53 PM 4/30/13, David Meyer <dmm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> wrote: > you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. > -- bob dylan > > we do not need measurements to know the ietf is embarrassingly > non-diverse. it is derived from and embedded in an embarrassingly > non-diverse culture. > > we need to do what we can to remedy this. progress not perfection is > our goal. > > measurement may be useful to see if we are having effect and/or what > things have effect (meeting locales, size of cookies, ...). > > we should be asking the minorities and those struggling to particiate > what we can do to help. > > randy > > Nicely said Randy. --dmm Agreed - without consulting a weatherman, we've been having a discussion (among a rather un-diverse group of participants) about where we are, as opposed to asking the questions Randy suggests. - Ralph > >