On 1/27/2012 9:41 AM, Scott Brim wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 14:01, SM <sm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> "To support the efficient development of IETF standards and >> avoid unnecessary delays, chairs and ADs should look for >> opportunities to promote awareness and compliance with the >> IETF's IPR policies." >> >> WG Chairs interact with IETF participants more often than ADs. It is not >> clear whether it is their responsibility to promote awareness and >> compliance. > > Don't look for some kind of procedural responsibility. WG Chairs > _want_ to ensure awareness and compliance as early as possible, > because if they don't do so they suffer: they suffer embarrassment and > sometimes failure of all their efforts when IPR is discovered late in > the process. There's no need to assign responsibility to chairs or > IESG members, we already have plenty of feedback for them. > >> Some points in the draft, such as the two-step approach to confirm >> compliance may help to catch issues before they become a concern. > > Yup. Ask early and often, directly and individually. That clearly > makes the askees responsible, which will matter later. > > Scott Assuming all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed Scott something which functionally seems rarely to happen. How do you deal with the issues of being liable under the 9th Circuit Model for "Willful Infringement" - the IETF doesnt build ANYTHING that can exist without its implemented process - and since in many instances these violate patent protections in place how is it that the IETF gets to set the law aside... I am betting it doesnt. Nor do the sponsors of those hammered here under that. For that reason I think we need both controls that allow unpublishing of documents and recall of Licensing Rights in a matter where we find something wrong or outside the process happened. Unless it is of course the plan and practice of the IETF to destroy the US Government's copyright protections... as well as its patent process. So I ask, is that the intent here? Todd > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -- Todd S. Glassey This is from my personal email account and any materials from this account come with personal disclaimers. Further I OPT OUT of any and all commercial emailings. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf