--On Wednesday, January 25, 2012 17:06 -0600 Pete Resnick <presnick@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > Before posting this Last Call (and the similar one for > draft-ietf-sieve-convert), the documents *were* returned to > the SIEVE WG to review the situation. With minimal complaint > from the WG and no indication that the WG wished to change > their decision on the documents, the chairs asked that I > simply put it to the entire community as a Last Call. So I > believe anything other than "go ahead with publication as is" > will be done only if that is the consensus of the IETF > community as a whole. The SIEVE chairs and I will be > monitoring the discussion. Pete, (responding to this message, but I've read the subsequent ones) It seems to me that a key question here is whether the original author's decision to not disclose was made in violation of company policy or whether the sequence of posting the I-D, getting the document through the WG and Last Call, and then posting the disclosure is a matter of company policy. If such behavior became a pattern, the IETF's IPR policy would be essentially dead. I believe that "go ahead with publication as is" would be equivalent to encouraging such a pattern to develop and is consequently not acceptable. Consequently, I believe that at least the following should be required: (1) Revision of the IPR statement so it identifies the responsible individual by name, department, and title. I do not believe that the rather anonymous "Director of Licensing" is compliant with the intent of the IPR disclosure rules. I will leave it to the lawyers to advise on whether a document issued without the name (not just title) of a responsible individual would even be held to be valid in the various jurisdictions in which the patent might be recognized. (2) A request to the company involved for someone who can formally speak for that company to publicly clarify that this sequence of behavior occurred in violation of company policy. If there are internal rewards to individuals for filing and/or being awarded patents, I assume that a decision that the actions violate company policy would cause such awards to be withheld in this case, even though the IETF would have no way to verify whether or not that occurred. (3) A request to the company involved to remove the reciprocity clause from the license stated in the disclosure statement. As a show of good faith, they should agree to derive no benefit from the patent other than what praise accrues from having it awarded. (4) Removal of the offending individual from the list of authors to the acknowledgments with text similar to that suggested by Adrian. Unless the company involved is willing to provide the clarification suggested in (2) above, and possibly the license modification suggested in (3) above, all names of authors associated with that company should be removed to the acknowledgements and the company affiliation explicitly identified there. In either case, this should be viewed as a response to a policy violation and not entangled with any more general discussion of listed authors on I-Ds or RFCs. (5) Unless the clarification suggested in (2) can be provided, each IETF participant who is associated with the relevant company and who is in an IETF-related leadership or decision-making position (WG Chairs; Editors; IESG, IAB, IAOC, Nomcom, members; etc.) should be asked to make a conscientious personal review as to whether this type of action sufficiently compromises his or her position that resignation or some other action would be appropriate and, as appropriate, to review IETF policies with whatever management chains are relevant. I am _not_ suggesting that anyone be asked to resign, only that they engage in careful consideration of the issues and their implications. Just my opinion. regards, john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf