On 27 Oct 2011, at 12:03, Richard Kulawiec wrote: > I support this concept, although I would go much further and > eliminate ALL face-to-face meetings. I absolutely wouldn't. > Travel (for meetings) is expensive, time-consuming, energy-inefficient, > and increasingly difficult. Your assertions above are all true, but that does not mean that people should be denied the opportunity to meet. Being mostly social animals, I believe it's essential that we *do* get to actually meet our IETF colleagues. Do not underestimate how important it is to actually establish a rapport with other people, and that can really only be achieved face-to-face. This is simple psychology. You simply can't get to know people and work with them effectively if all they are is faceless email accounts or a voice on a crowded conf call. I've met loads of people at my four years of IETF, and many of those I now consider friends. I know what their competences are, and I know which ones I trust and distrust. You just don't get that from remote participation. Ray _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf