Uhm, no. If someone wants to put a little salt in their soup do you suggest that the whole shaker be poured into the bowl? Taking a position to an absurd extreme is fallacious. Dan. On Sun, August 29, 2010 5:21 am, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > Ah so the salt lake city model where everyone stayed at the same hotel > and there was only one bar in town would be ideal... > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Dan Harkins <dharkins@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hi Hannes, >> >> Maastricht is definitely an interesting city and I'm glad I can say >> I've been there (Aachen was cool too!). But the venue there sucked. It >> was in the middle of a cultural dead zone (which says something because >> Maastricht has lots to offer) and the hotels were all scattered around >> town. My hotel was great and well situated from a city-center >> perspective >> (I would consider staying there if I went back as a tourist) but to get >> to the venue required a 20 minute hike or a bus. Coordination among >> people >> to go out to dinner or meet up after dinner was a pain-in-the-ass >> because >> everyone scattered out in a 5km radius to freshen-up/stow-bags/whatever. >> And then there's the multi-stop cab ride back to everyone's dispersed >> hotels, not very conducive to extra-IETF activities which are helped by >> close hotel proximity. >> >> Yea, I did see my fellow IETFers but that holds true anywhere (if you >> hold an IETF in city X then there will be lots of IETFers in city X) so >> that is hardly a "positive aspect" about the particular IETF venue. >> >> Don't take it as a negative about the city. It's the venue in the city >> and the displacement of hotels that matter. For instance, I've been to >> San Diego, California, USA for different meetings and some were great >> and >> others really sucked because the venue was not convenient and/or in a >> cultural wasteland or to get to/from there was a pain-in-the-ass. Same >> city, different conference, totally different experience. >> >> Two hops plus a train or 3 hops or whatever may be a "negative" but >> to me that's a one-off (actually a two-off since I have to leave too) >> and I really don't care too much about that. More important, to me, is >> the overhead required for day-to-day activities during the IETF-- effort >> to get to the venue from my hotel, how easy is it to find food during >> the >> day, what's required to coordinate extra-IETF meetings with fellow >> IETFers >> in the city, that kinda stuff. >> >> regards, >> >> Dan. >> >> And yes, I did see alot of my IETF friends again. >> >> On Sat, August 28, 2010 12:54 am, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) >> wrote: >>> Hi Jordi, >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have not seen an IETF meeting where people have not complained about >>> the layout of the venue, how to get there, the city itself, the >>> proximity to some nearby countries, the weather, the hotel, the number >>> of offered hotels, the high crime rate, etc. etc. >>> >>> The place that makes 95% of the typical IETF meetings participants >>> happy >>> does not even exist. >>> >>> Maybe it would be useful to highlight the positive aspects of traveling >>> instead. Maastricht is an interesting city and you saw lots of your >>> IETF >>> friends again. >>> >>> Ciao >>> Hannes >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ietf mailing list >>> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> > > > > -- > Website: http://hallambaker.com/ > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf