Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

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Ah so the salt lake city model where everyone stayed at the same hotel
and there was only one bar in town would be ideal...

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Dan Harkins <dharkins@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Hi Hannes,
>
>  Maastricht is definitely an interesting city and I'm glad I can say
> I've been there (Aachen was cool too!). But the venue there sucked. It
> was in the middle of a cultural dead zone (which says something because
> Maastricht has lots to offer) and the hotels were all scattered around
> town. My hotel was great and well situated from a city-center perspective
> (I would consider staying there if I went back as a tourist) but to get
> to the venue required a 20 minute hike or a bus. Coordination among people
> to go out to dinner or meet up after dinner was a pain-in-the-ass because
> everyone scattered out in a 5km radius to freshen-up/stow-bags/whatever.
> And then there's the multi-stop cab ride back to everyone's dispersed
> hotels, not very conducive to extra-IETF activities which are helped by
> close hotel proximity.
>
>  Yea, I did see my fellow IETFers but that holds true anywhere (if you
> hold an IETF in city X then there will be lots of IETFers in city X) so
> that is hardly a "positive aspect" about the particular IETF venue.
>
>  Don't take it as a negative about the city. It's the venue in the city
> and the displacement of hotels that matter. For instance, I've been to
> San Diego, California, USA for different meetings and some were great and
> others really sucked because the venue was not convenient and/or in a
> cultural wasteland or to get to/from there was a pain-in-the-ass. Same
> city, different conference, totally different experience.
>
>  Two hops plus a train or 3 hops or whatever may be a "negative" but
> to me that's a one-off (actually a two-off since I have to leave too)
> and I really don't care too much about that. More important, to me, is
> the overhead required for day-to-day activities during the IETF-- effort
> to get to the venue from my hotel, how easy is it to find food during the
> day, what's required to coordinate extra-IETF meetings with fellow IETFers
> in the city, that kinda stuff.
>
>  regards,
>
>  Dan.
>
> And yes, I did see alot of my IETF friends again.
>
> On Sat, August 28, 2010 12:54 am, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote:
>> Hi Jordi,
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have not seen an IETF meeting where people have not complained about
>> the layout of the venue, how to get there, the city itself, the
>> proximity to some nearby countries, the weather, the hotel, the number
>> of offered hotels, the high crime rate, etc. etc.
>>
>> The place that makes 95% of the typical IETF meetings participants happy
>> does not even exist.
>>
>> Maybe it would be useful to highlight the positive aspects of traveling
>> instead. Maastricht is an interesting city and you saw lots of your IETF
>> friends again.
>>
>> Ciao
>> Hannes
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