Ah so the salt lake city model where everyone stayed at the same hotel and there was only one bar in town would be ideal... On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Dan Harkins <dharkins@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi Hannes, > > Maastricht is definitely an interesting city and I'm glad I can say > I've been there (Aachen was cool too!). But the venue there sucked. It > was in the middle of a cultural dead zone (which says something because > Maastricht has lots to offer) and the hotels were all scattered around > town. My hotel was great and well situated from a city-center perspective > (I would consider staying there if I went back as a tourist) but to get > to the venue required a 20 minute hike or a bus. Coordination among people > to go out to dinner or meet up after dinner was a pain-in-the-ass because > everyone scattered out in a 5km radius to freshen-up/stow-bags/whatever. > And then there's the multi-stop cab ride back to everyone's dispersed > hotels, not very conducive to extra-IETF activities which are helped by > close hotel proximity. > > Yea, I did see my fellow IETFers but that holds true anywhere (if you > hold an IETF in city X then there will be lots of IETFers in city X) so > that is hardly a "positive aspect" about the particular IETF venue. > > Don't take it as a negative about the city. It's the venue in the city > and the displacement of hotels that matter. For instance, I've been to > San Diego, California, USA for different meetings and some were great and > others really sucked because the venue was not convenient and/or in a > cultural wasteland or to get to/from there was a pain-in-the-ass. Same > city, different conference, totally different experience. > > Two hops plus a train or 3 hops or whatever may be a "negative" but > to me that's a one-off (actually a two-off since I have to leave too) > and I really don't care too much about that. More important, to me, is > the overhead required for day-to-day activities during the IETF-- effort > to get to the venue from my hotel, how easy is it to find food during the > day, what's required to coordinate extra-IETF meetings with fellow IETFers > in the city, that kinda stuff. > > regards, > > Dan. > > And yes, I did see alot of my IETF friends again. > > On Sat, August 28, 2010 12:54 am, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote: >> Hi Jordi, >> Hi all, >> >> I have not seen an IETF meeting where people have not complained about >> the layout of the venue, how to get there, the city itself, the >> proximity to some nearby countries, the weather, the hotel, the number >> of offered hotels, the high crime rate, etc. etc. >> >> The place that makes 95% of the typical IETF meetings participants happy >> does not even exist. >> >> Maybe it would be useful to highlight the positive aspects of traveling >> instead. Maastricht is an interesting city and you saw lots of your IETF >> friends again. >> >> Ciao >> Hannes >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -- Website: http://hallambaker.com/ _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf