On 7/9/2010 5:15 AM, Hannes Tschenig wrote: WHAT specifically does "Openness and Transparency" mean - not in nebulous namby pamby terms but specific sets of "use rules and their oversight" - what exactly does this mean? > >> as far as i know >> >> o data collection has been done very rarely. and when it has been, it >> has been widely announced. > Openness and transparency is one of the privacy principles. > (but there are others...) > > >> o there is no plan known by the net ops to do so in maastricht or >> beijing at either of those meetings. > I don't know. There is no central place where I could lookup any of this info. > >> o aside from issues in the wireless deployment, the data about net use >> at ietf meeings seems pretty boring to me from a research view > Maybe boring for you. > Some consider it a very large WLAN network, some others test their favorite tunneling technology with it, etc. > >> o but i am sure there are wifi spies snooping and playing. and i >> suspect that they will not be very respectful of any policy put in >> place. > You have to see all privacy principles in combination in order for them to make sense. > > >> given the latter, i focus more on prudent personal net hygene and less >> on prose. > That's fine. > > Ciao > Hannes > >> randy > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf