Very good question, Todd. Nowadays everyone claims to be open and transparent. As an example, here is what the Madrid Resolution http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/odps//madridresolutionnov09.pdf has to say about the "openness principle": 1. Every responsible person shall have transparent policies with regard to the processing of personal data. 2. The responsible person shall provide to the data subjects, as a minimum, information about the responsible person’s identity, the intended purpose of processing, the recipients to whom their personal data will be disclosed and how data subjects may exercise the rights provided in this Document, as well as any further information necessary to guarantee fair processing of such personal data. 3. When personal data have been collected directly from the data subject, the information must be provided at the time of collection, unless it has already been provided. 4. When personal data have not been collected directly from the data subject, the responsible person must also inform him/her about the source of personal data. This information must be given within a reasonable period of time, but may be replaced by alternative measures if compliance is impossible or would involve a disproportionate effort by the responsible person. 5. Any information to be furnished to the data subject must be provided in an intelligible form, using a clear and plain language, in particular for any processing addressed specifically to minors. 6. Where personal data are collected on line by means of electronic communications networks, the obligations set out in the first and second paragraphs of this section may be satisfied by posting privacy policies that are easy to access and identify and include all the information mentioned above. Ciao Hannes -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:36:36 -0700 > Von: todd glassey <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > An: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Betreff: Re: Comments on <draft-cooper-privacy-policy-01.txt> > On 7/9/2010 5:15 AM, Hannes Tschenig wrote: > > > > WHAT specifically does "Openness and Transparency" mean - not in > nebulous namby pamby terms but specific sets of "use rules and their > oversight" - what exactly does this mean? > > > >> as far as i know > >> > >> o data collection has been done very rarely. and when it has been, > it > >> has been widely announced. > > Openness and transparency is one of the privacy principles. > > (but there are others...) > > > > > >> o there is no plan known by the net ops to do so in maastricht or > >> beijing at either of those meetings. > > I don't know. There is no central place where I could lookup any of this > info. > > > >> o aside from issues in the wireless deployment, the data about net > use > >> at ietf meeings seems pretty boring to me from a research view > > Maybe boring for you. > > Some consider it a very large WLAN network, some others test their > favorite tunneling technology with it, etc. > > > >> o but i am sure there are wifi spies snooping and playing. and i > >> suspect that they will not be very respectful of any policy put in > >> place. > > You have to see all privacy principles in combination in order for them > to make sense. > > > > > >> given the latter, i focus more on prudent personal net hygene and less > >> on prose. > > That's fine. > > > > Ciao > > Hannes > > > >> randy > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf