With all due respect the geopriv held experiment at ietf71 could have been done anywhere, and had no impact on participants who were not involved in them. I have zero interest in building process that might impede the activity of people conducting protocol experiments that occur effectively in isolation. Joel's iPad On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:39 AM, "Hannes Tschofenig" <Hannes.Tschofenig@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Randy, > > this privacy policy effort is not a means to put someone in the spotlight because a mistake has been made. > > I think it is good that we do all sorts of experiments with the IETF network and use it for research purposes. > > Still, if someone wants to do their tests then they should do it in an open and transparent fashion and tell people what they do. The writeup should then contain information like > * what data is collected > * what is the purpose > * how long is it stored > * how is responsible > * how does the opt-in procedure work > > It would also be nice to hear the results of the effort afterwards as well. > > Without listing other persons efforts I would like to mention the location server experiment a few of us did from the GEOPRIV working group. I don't recall anymore how we announced it and what we said in our announcement (it was a few years ago already) but a document like the one written by Alissa would have helped us. Richard Barnes might remember the details. > > Ciao > Hannes > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >> Datum: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 21:28:43 +0900 >> Von: Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> >> An: "Hannes Tschofenig" <Hannes.Tschofenig@xxxxxxx> >> CC: ietf@xxxxxxxx >> Betreff: Re: Comments on <draft-cooper-privacy-policy-01.txt> > >>>>> And "yes" we have researchers looking into the traffic, people storing >>>>> all sorts of data, etc. >>>> >>>> we do? about our traffic on the ietf meeting network? stuff other >> than >>>> the _ephemeral_ data the noc ops use to manage the network? >>> >>> Yes, the IETF meeting network. >> >> cites, please. > > Remember the discussion about the RFID experiment, the location server experiment, >> >>>> o there is no plan known by the net ops to do so in maastricht or >>>> beijing at either of those meetings. >>> >>> I don't know. There is no central place where I could lookup any of >>> this info. >> >> but you suspect the worst? i am on the noc ops team. you can trust my >> statement or not. > > I don't suspect anything. I believe it is good if people use the network for all sorts of tests, if they tell us what they do. > > >> >>>> o aside from issues in the wireless deployment, the data about net >> use >>>> at ietf meeings seems pretty boring to me from a research view >>> >>> Maybe boring for you. >>> Some consider it a very large WLAN network, some others test their >>> favorite tunneling technology with it, etc. >> >> that is not gathering data on others' use of the network. >> >> randy > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf