Jerry, I agree with you, and just to inject a little humor, I also agree with the e-Trade baby when he says "it's not the venue": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhfl4mFH1No Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf