-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9/19/09 10:23 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > >> Hi Ole, >> >> The IETF is highly ideological. Probably more so than most other SDOs. >> >> We care deeply about the end to end principle, about net neutrality, >> and (at least in the community I'm a member of) about security. Many >> of our members care a lot about IPR and its effect on open source. >> >> So why when it comes to free speech, which is clearly related to our >> open way of making standards, we suddenly shy away from taking a >> moral stance and instead resort to budgetary calculations? >> >> And regarding the survey: most people, myself included, would bend a >> principle or two to go somewhere as interesting and exciting as >> China. But you would get a radically different answer if you asked: >> should the IETF hold a meeting in a country that mandates a non-free >> speech commitment, or should we prefer an alternative where no such >> commitments are required. >> >> Thanks, >> Yaron >> > > You might get a different answer, but it's ultimately up to the > individuals who answer the survey. How would you expect our large and > growing contingent from China to answer that question? Should we ask > about the policies of the United States, France or Germany on a long > range of topics (visa, wars, death penalty...)? Where do we draw the > line? I think we draw the line at restrictions on our freedom of speech. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkq5O00ACgkQNL8k5A2w/vwOtgCeOgV7bNCS2qHPmXqQVz7WdiNS kIIAnicU346vdYIwT+3HSIMOpnas/fWt =P8LB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf