Dave, you're mischaracterizing the situation and you ought to know better. basing reputation on IP address is pretty dubious. transmitting reputation over DNS is not "otherwise-acceptable" and there's at least some argument to be made that this choice of mechanism lends itself to abuse, or even encourages it. and it appears that there's considerably less than rough consensus in favor of DNSBLs ... especially if you ask people whose mail has been blocked because of them. Keith > Eric, > > Roughly 95% of all mail is spam. That makes email a pretty onerous > "practice". > > So we ought to remove standards status for all email specifications. > > Or we could consider keeping mechanism and policy separate, > standardizing technologies (mechanisms) and refraining from condemning > them because some operators have misguided policies and use the > mechanisms badly. > > Really, guys, everything we standardize has examples of misuse. So that > hardly makes your current line of argument substantive. > > Are you actually saying that there is something inherently inappropriate > in having published reputation lists and that a technical standards body > like the IETF is tasked with rejecting standardization of > otherwise-acceptable technical specifications because we don't like how > some people will use them? > > Are you seriously lobbying for the IETF to be an idealistic island that > ignores rough consensus and very well-established practice among the > broader Internet community? > > d/ _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf