> On the other hand: If we simply closed our laptops for the duration of > the plenary and LISTENED to the speakers, perhaps even taking notes on > paper (I know, a radical idea), would this really be such a terrible > thing? That's exactly what it would be: A terrible thing. I routinely use my laptop during meetings to look up stuff relating to whatever is being presented, chat with others regarding the presentation, and in many cases to look at slides with print too small for me to see on the screen at the front of the room. And yes, I'm pretty good at multitasking so I also often check and respond to email, write code, and do all sorts of other stuff. (I can't recall ever buying anything from an online store during a meeting but I would not hesitate to do so if it made sense.) The unfortunate reality is that the information density of PowerPoint presentations is typically so low that asking me to focus on what's being presented is effectively asking me to waste half my time. (I will add that some - but not all - IETF plenary presentations I've seen have been notable exceptions to this rule.) More generally, I've come to resent attempts by others to micromanage how I work. In doing this you are in effect saying that you know more about what's important for me to be doing that I do. > I've attended meetings where we had a "closed laptop" policy during > presentations, I can tell you that everyone agreed it worked much > better than the typical > "I'll-ingnore-this-boring-speaker-and-order-some-stuff-online-instead" > model. Yeah, somebody tried this at some meeting I attended a few years back. It sucked so loud and hard that I flat out told the people whose came up with this idiocy that under no circumstances would I ever attend another meeting that had such a policy. And I was far from the only person who reacted so negatively. Getting back to the actual topic under discussion, let me see if I've got this straight: We're going to switch off the IPv4 network and force people to use IPv6 during a plenary, a time when laptops are at maximum density and hence wireless connectivity is most problematic? I was unable to attend the last three IETFs in person so maybe something has changed, but at previous meetings my success rate at keeping a wireless connection going during the plenary hasn't been all that great. This means IPv6 issues are likely going to be conflated with wireless issues and heaven knows what else. Unlike some others I have no objection to performing such experiments but I really have to wonder if the parameters for this one are well chosen. Ned _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf