Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Hi, do you mean s/Chair/AD/ here ? > No. The way I see it, Shepherd 'write' rights would be a subset of the > Chair rights, which will be a subset of the AD rights. Why should WG Chairs - if they're not proto-shepherds - have write access on the I-D tracker at all ? A proto-shepherd needs similar access rights as a "traditional" shepherd - minus posting the approval on the announce list. Probably I'm just confused, that's how I understood the concept so far: Normally the responsible AD (one of the area ADs) is the shepherd. One of the WG Chairs can be nominated as proto shepherd (the Chairs toss a coin or similar). If the responsible AD doesn't want to delegate this task he or she is the shepherd, and there's no problem with write access right. Otherwise the nominated Chair is the proto shepherd and needs write access for certain actions (enter last call, post questionnaire, initiate ballot, etc.) But not participate in the ballot, and not post the approval. With that I'd get "Chair rights" as subset of "proto shepherd rights", not the other way around. Actually I get no "Chair rights" at all appart from read access like everybody else. Frank _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf