Re: IETF e-mail junked

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I have not had that experience. But then again I am a little bit disengaged from IETF right now as I am trying to add end-to-end messaging to the Fediverse. I will be back bothering folk for information on WebRTC very soon.

Like many others, I find that I have little alternative to GMail because the volume of spam I receive is utterly ludicrous. Back when I was at VeriSign we had 3000 employees and IT told me I received a quarter of the mail to the company. That was the result of working on anti-spam.

The only good solution I can see for mailing lists is to take them out of SMTP altogether. The push approach simply doesn't work. The answer is a pull approach like RSS and ActivityPub support.


While this is something that people have talked about for a long time, the big barrier has been the existence of clients. This is something that I think might actually be fixed in 2023 as the migration to the Fediverse takes hold. What is going on here is much, much more than a move away from a single social media platform which has been acquired by an eccentric billionaire being persuaded to self-destruct by agents of a foreign power that is threatened by his production of electric cars.



On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 5:17 AM tom petch <daedulus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This month there has been a marked increase in the amount of IETF e-mail
that my ESP classifies as junk which means that I cannot retrieve it
with an MUA and that it will be discarded in three weeks time.  Since my
ESP is one of the larger ones, I imagine that others among the 55,000
will be affected

Every RFC announcement from the RFC Editor is junk.
The headers thereof I see show spf=pass dmarc=none action=""
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5

Most announcements from the IAB Executive Admnistrative Manager are junk

Some posts to the ARCHD list are junk

Some posts to other WG lists are junk including one I made in response
to a thread.

Something has changed, either in the headers that the IETF is putting on
its e-mails or in the criteria that the ESP uses to classify e-mail, I
would think.  The chances of the ESP doing anything helpful (for a
paying customer) I would rate as nil.

Certainly the ESP website has changed.  It used to give me the option of
'Do not classify anything from this sender as junk' and that option
seems to have gone.

I have always had a level of false positives for junk and my feedback is
always ignored.  Usually, the junk is an e-mail from an unfamiliar name
about and unfamiliar topic, sometimes several from the same person but
junking the RFC Editor and the IAB take this to a new level.

Thoughts?

Tom Petch


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