On 12/26/22 16:11, John Levine wrote:
It appears that Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@xxxxxxx> said:
On 21/12/2022 14:26, Keith Moore wrote:
As for the general problem of spam filtering being responsible for the
failure of legitimate mail to be delivered, I also object to the
"nothing can be done" attitude.
The difficulty comes from the fact that there is currently a real
consolidation in email providers to a handful of very large cloud
servers run (poorly) by faceless companies that offer no recourse for
fixing false positives. It is a commercial decision. ...
With all due respect, you have no clue what it's like to run a large
mail system. I only have some idea from talking to people who do.
While I am no happier than anyone else about filtering mistakes, or
the stream of spam from Gmail accounts that shows up in my inbox every
morning, it is not like they could snap their fingers and fix it. The
large mail systems have dedicated spammers who only attack specific
systems with specific attacks using hacks like targeted BGP injection
so that the traffic is invisible to everyone else.
I also have to wonder about people who consistently pick the very
cheapest vendor (not just for e-mail) and then complain bitterly about
how bad it is. When a service is free, well, sometimes you get what
you pay for. If e-mail is important to you, it's worth paying for
and their are paid services like Fastmail (who are quite active in
the IETF) who do a good job.
John, I think you're on really thin ice here, and you should back down
and apologize.
Keith
