Tom, On 5 Oct 2022, at 9:55, tom petch wrote: > On 03/10/2022 23:22, John C Klensin wrote: >> >> --On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 09:02 +1300 Brian E Carpenter >> <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Keith, you wrote: >>> >>>> Whether or not it's warranted, it's clearly a personal attack >>>> on Dan. >>> >>> No. It's directed very explicitly at a particular pattern of >>> behaviour on some specific mailing lists. It doesn't say that >>> he may no longer contribute, say, to Security Area activities. >> >> Brian, while I agree about the "pattern of behavior" my >> understanding of the BCP, Marshall's intent at the time, and >> what we have done since, Dan (or anyone else similarly >> sanctioned) could participate on other mailing lists and in >> other activities but only as long as the maintainers of those >> lists felt his behavior was appropriate to their work and either >> represented a change of behavior from the behaviors cited in the >> PR-action proposal. If they concluded they were seeing the >> same patterns of disruption-causing behavior that caused the >> PR-action for the IETF list and other lists, they could ban him >> there too and do so without further warnings, etc. > > Indeed. > > When I read the first message of this thread, I thought that the person cited was a familiar name but from the IRTF (and from the Security Area, not from the mailing lists that are specified). Since this is an IETF action, then I imagine that it would be up to the IRSG to decide whether or not action is warranted for IRTF lists. I see no such sign - I do not know if the IRTF has any equivalent procedure. Certainly in other matters, such as determining consensus, I see the IRTF as being more encompassing than the IETF. The RG Chairs are responsible for moderating the research group lists, with support from the IRTF Chair. This PR-Action is by the IESG and is to restrict posting to a specific set of IETF mailing lists. Colin -- last-call mailing list last-call@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/last-call
