On 03/10/2022 23:22, John C Klensin wrote:
--On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 09:02 +1300 Brian E Carpenter
<brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Keith, you wrote:
Whether or not it's warranted, it's clearly a personal attack
on Dan.
No. It's directed very explicitly at a particular pattern of
behaviour on some specific mailing lists. It doesn't say that
he may no longer contribute, say, to Security Area activities.
Brian, while I agree about the "pattern of behavior" my
understanding of the BCP, Marshall's intent at the time, and
what we have done since, Dan (or anyone else similarly
sanctioned) could participate on other mailing lists and in
other activities but only as long as the maintainers of those
lists felt his behavior was appropriate to their work and either
represented a change of behavior from the behaviors cited in the
PR-action proposal. If they concluded they were seeing the
same patterns of disruption-causing behavior that caused the
PR-action for the IETF list and other lists, they could ban him
there too and do so without further warnings, etc.
Indeed.
When I read the first message of this thread, I thought that the person
cited was a familiar name but from the IRTF (and from the Security Area,
not from the mailing lists that are specified). Since this is an IETF
action, then I imagine that it would be up to the IRSG to decide whether
or not action is warranted for IRTF lists. I see no such sign - I do
not know if the IRTF has any equivalent procedure. Certainly in other
matters, such as determining consensus, I see the IRTF as being more
encompassing than the IETF.
Tom Petch
john
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