On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 4:48 PM Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I think that the problems of maintaining a client for your favourite desktop
> platform is largely overblown.
+1. Many years ago I asked a colleague for advice, they told me to use Gajim (on Windows) and it has worked fine ever since. I was fortunate enough to get an account at jabber.org and it still seems to work.
Regards
Brian
On 10-Sep-22 02:00, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
> My company and association, credil.org, uses XMPP, and we maintain a server.
> I use pidgin, and I will continue to use it. I tried to zulip stuff during
> IETF114, and I found it distracting, hard to interact with, and in most
> cases, as a result, I did not participate that way.
>
> I have remained in the "hallway" XMPP conference since sometime in 2012,
> reachable at any time. The number of people who just logged in to that
> channel has gone from me and another guy, to twenty or thirty people.
> That will go away. I don't think that I any intention of opening another
> tab, and another Gb of ram for zulip. I am actively hostile to using slack
> for this reason. I run lots and lots of "native" clients for multiple
> systems, many of which turn out to be thin wrappers around chrome clients,
> which also annoys me a great deal. I sure hope that this will go away.
>
> So for the IETF and for me, this transition is a loss.
> I think that the problems of maintaining a client for your favourite desktop
> platform is largely overblown. Yes, a few people found it difficult, and
> they didn't like the clients that had support.
>
> What privilege to expect to have a freely downloadable client with support.
>
> I also think that finding a server wasn't really that hard.
> And frankly, for 90% of people, they only ever used the service when the
> meeting was in progress, in which case using the one built-in to meetecho was
> probably just fine. (I didn't like it, mind you)
>
> I didn't know we were going to get rid of the bridges.
> Had I known that, I would have protested harder, and kicked the zulip tires
> until broke. I just figured that choices were good, and that zulip wasn't
> a choice for me, but that was okay... because choices.
>
> I'm very sad.
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Sandelman Software Works
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