Re: Backdoor standards?

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FYI the creation of the Internet-Drafts directory and the rules governing it are in the proceedings of the 12th IETF, see https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/12.pdf, pages 5 and 8.

-David Borman

On Jan 13, 2022, at 1:54 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 14-Jan-22 06:55, David Borman wrote:
...> I personally don’t have any issues with old drafts remaining accessible somewhere.  The key thing was to make it clear that these are draft documents, and that if vendors choose to include them in their marketing literature, it is still clear that these are draft documents.

Well yes. And every I-D for an effectively infinite length of time has said exactly that in its boilerplate [1]. It's beside the point that many people don't read the boilerplate. The fact that it's there is necessary and sufficient.

As for the public archive of expired I-Ds, it's a useful tool. I've used it, for
example, to track back when a particular item appeared in a draft, so as to locate the WG discussion of that item. Ain't broken, don't fix. [2]

Pseudo-hiding old I-Ds by breaking URLs such as https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-anima-grasp-06 or https://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-ietf-anima-grasp-06 would be pointless vandalism.

  Brian (grumpily)

[1] Here's what a draft I wrote in 1994, two years before RFC2026, says:

"Expires 26 September 1994
...
  This document is an Internet Draft.  Internet Drafts are working
  documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its Areas,
  and its Working Groups.  Note that other groups may also distribute
  working documents as Internet Drafts.

  Internet Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six
  months.  Internet Drafts may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by
  other documents at any time.  It is not appropriate to use Internet
  Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as a
  ``working draft'' or ``work in progress.''"

That was of course generated by an nroff template.

[2] If you want to fix something, fix RFC2026 to match reality.




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