> In doing so, you've now also characterised others' positions in a disparaging way and expressed cynicism about the IETF process. I understand you may be frustrated, but I don't think doing so is constructive. Mark, sometimes it is absolutely necessary to express how a discourse makes one feel. Yes, this discussion is frustrating and unlikely to lead anywhere good, and I have to choose my battles. I made my points, and I will shut up now. Grüße, Carsten