I agree with Andy below but just to be clear, WG draft has a formal standing as a starting point for work -- they are a draft over which the WG has taken control. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 11:07 AM Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Keith, > > I disagree. WGs have charters, which result in RFCs. During that process, they have consensus-based working drafts that are refined to meet their charter goals. That's an "adopted" draft. But it doesn't have to be based on a single individual draft, a working draft can be the result of merging earlier individual drafts, or can even originate as a WG draft without a preceding individual draft or drafts. But yes, working drafts do reflect WG consensus, and they have formal standing as such. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:27 AM Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> On 4/27/21 10:17 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >> >> There was also a suggestion to add something to the boilerplate text of individual I-Ds along the lines of "anyone can submit an I-D; they have no formal standing until they are adopted by a group in the IETF or IRTF". Would that provide additional clarification? >> >> Oh yes, PLEASE! >> >> concur. Except get rid of the "adopted" bit, because even assuming that "adoption" of a draft by a WG is useful, it doesn't imply any kind of broad support from the organization. Just say that the existence of a draft does not mean it has any formal standing with IETF or any other organization. Documents with formal standing in IETF are published as RFCs. >> >> Keith >> >>