While not exactly on point, participants in this thread may be interested in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4144 Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 5:06 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx> wrote: > On 2021-02-23, at 05:33, Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > And yet, you shouldn't be required to work with any specific person to get around those idiosyncrasies. > > While this is a desirable goal, it also is a lofty one. > > The reality in *any* organization is that it is easier to do things for people who know the organization than for those who don’t. (We have a German word for that, Stallgeruch, which is hard to translate, so I’m not going into more details here.) > > The objective can only ever be to make the organization *more* accessible. > I believe finding a shepherd for new work is exactly the right way to approach the IETF, and I applaud Bron for playing this role with datetime-new. > > (I found Bron’s telling of the deleterious effects of fashions like “everything must be done in OAuth” refreshing; our work has also been hit by this one, but is now slowly emerging, albeit in a rather damaged way, from ACE. But avoiding fashions is maybe orthogonal to making the organization more accessible from the outside — fashions damage insiders, too. It is also not easy to recognize a fashion from a groundswell.) > > Grüße, Carsten
