Hi Michal, I'm not trying to push it to the wrong spot, I'm trying to stop the obstacles that is based on wrong information, all of us now in need to arrange for a successful meeting (means safe, well-organized, and satisfies almost all participants needs). Things should be measured with pros and cons, and they must be based on true facts, yes Egypt needs to work more in securing the country, but the recent situation really really doing hard work to disrupt those who disrupt and the conclusion is that it is safe. >> So it would be useful to form on your side a group of people who will start the multi-year work on bringing IETF into your country. Trust me, I did it more than 10 years ago - and it worked. I believe you, but I need to know who is responsible and what are their contacts so we can share a discussion and get more benefits. Khaled Omar -----Original Message----- From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Michal Krsek Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:34 PM To: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Egypt as the next venue. Hello Khaled, seems like you are trying to push in the wrong spot. No one is challenging in person the security situation in Egypt. And we do not have enough information to do that. The government of USA is possibly wrong, but IETFer's are not able to change the US government policy. So it would be useful to form on your side a group of people who will start the multi-year work on bringing IETF into your country. Trust me, I did it more than 10 years ago - and it worked. I read several e-mails supporting consideration of Egypt as future venue in the list. So it is for you for now to study historic email threads about new locations (not only Prague, but also Singapore, Buenos Aires and others) and appropriate RFCs about meeting selection - and try to answer all the questions and fulfill the needs. With kind regards Michal On 26.8.2020 23:17, Khaled Omar wrote: > It is really weird when this guidance guide you with wrong information :-) I can see many Russians and Europeans comes here normally, what's wrong with the US government I don't know, maybe they need to change these restrictions as it conflicts a wrong image as they even can't secure their people when they travel. > > Khaled Omar > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@xxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:07 PM > To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@xxxxxx>; sarikaya@xxxxxxxx; IETF > Discussion <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Egypt as the next venue. > > > The point is that most IETF attendees would tend to follow such travel guidance either as individuals or due to corporate policies. This is similar to the long discussion we had prior to “cancelling” IETF 107 in Vancouver. You can read messages in the archives saying things along the lines of “even if I think it is safe, my company won’t let me go there.” > > Ole > > >> On 26 Aug 2020, at 13:56, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Actually, I didn't hear about all that threats before, I travelled to Sinai Peninsula twice this year in December and January and everything was fine, just many check points to guarantee the safety and identification of passengers. >> >> What is the goal of showing all these threats? You don't know which road to use until you ask someone and find military and police standing for support, so there is no fear, let people enjoy and don't let any news disrupt the safety of the venue. >> >> So all, no need to worry, Sinai is a holy land, and if you need to feel more safe, ask those who know what's going on here. >> >> Khaled Omar >> > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher > The Internet Protocol Journal > Office: +1 415-550-9433 > Cell: +1 415-370-4628 > Web: protocoljournal.org > E-mail: olejacobsen@xxxxxx > E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Skype: organdemo >
