So we’re all clear
If there is consensus (as judged by the IESG) for the LLC to assess cities in Egypt then the criteria regarding food that the meetings team will assess are set out in section 3.2.5 of RFC 8178:
* The Facility environs, which include both on-site as well as areas
within a reasonable walking distance or conveniently accessible by
a short taxi ride or by local public transportation, have
convenient and inexpensive choices for meals that can accommodate
a wide range of dietary requirements.
* A range of attendees' health-related and religion-related dietary
requirements can be satisfied with robust and flexible on-site
service or through access to an adequate grocery store.
* The Facility environs include grocery shopping that will
accommodate a wide range of dietary requirements, within a
reasonable walking distance or conveniently accessible by a short
taxi, bus, or subway ride from the Facility and IETF Hotels.
Also, these criteria are "important" and not "mandatory" and so might not be met by every venue.
Jay
> On 27/08/2020, at 7:50 AM, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Well, i think chefs in Egypt especially in touristic cities can/should be a group of Multi-culture experiences, so they can offer a good service that satisfies all needs, that can be “a pre-requisite” or agreement before hosting, but regarding food, due to weather and water, almost all kind of food and fruits can be planted here so this may help as we have good farmers.
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> Regarding markets, you can go out and look for a large one where u can find what u need, there are many.
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> From: Mary B <mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:37:08 PM
> To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@xxxxxxxxx>; IETF Discussion <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Egypt as the next venue.
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> With regards to the food requirements, it goes well beyond a preference for favorite foods and/or "peculiar allergies", it's also about medical conditions, such as celiac disease that requires a strict gluten-free diet or anaphylactic reactions that can cause death. So, some of us must know every ingredient that is in the food we consume. Typically, full service, higher end venues can support these requirements provided they are made aware ahead of time. But, it is something that needs to be taken seriously (as opposed to a preference or someone just being picky). And, we really need access to a full service market to fill in the gaps.
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> Regards,
> Mary.
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> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 6:54 PM Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I proposed Sharm El Shikh because it has large size hotels and conferences can be held there easily, and regarding food, I think all kind of foods are planted and cooked here so you can request your favorite food prior to arrival.
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> To feel free to have a tour and walk around the city with minimal chances of interaction with people after finishing meetings.
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> From: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 11:52 PM
> To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: IETF Discussion <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Egypt as the next venue.
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> Egypt has been a host to many international conferences. I’m not sure that Sharm el Shikh is right for the IETF, though.
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> The people coming to IETF meeting are diverse. You’ll have people who require vegetarian food, and vegans and people with peculiar allergies or eating habits. It is usually far easier to serve all those needs in a big city with a lot of restaurants than in a smaller place. When IETF met in Maastricht and in “Dublin” (actually a small town 15 km north of Dublin) there were a lot of complaints about the limited choice of foods. Now, Sharm el Shikh has 73,000 people making it a meduim-sized town, not 25,000 as in Maastricht, but it’s no Alexandria.
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> Many of the people coming to IETF meetings are cheap. Sharm el Shikh is very touristy and as such rather expensive relative to other places in Egypt. Rather than having functional hotels, the place is full of resorts. By the time the IETF is ready to hold physical meetings again, tourism is likely to be in full swing as well.
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> On 24 Aug 2020, at 23:30, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> This e-mail is to suggest Egypt as the next venue for the IETF meeting that needs to be held, as you know there are many cities and I prefer the one with very low number of poeple like Sharm El Shikh.
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> So you can check out that city and start taking it seriously into your consideration as I’m sure you will enjoy your time here, just if you will find your own partners.
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IETF Executive Director
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