Let me approach the quesiton of what i sneeded slightlhy differently.
Do you think the General AD has enough support / authority to ask the
gen-art reviewers to look for problematic language? If so, what should
she point to as examples of what one might look for? (The gen-art
review team has people with a range of language backgrounds.)
Yours,
Joel
On 8/8/2020 11:48 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
--On Saturday, August 8, 2020 22:42 -0400 "Joel M. Halpern"
<jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
While full coordiantion probably needs something akin to RSE
involvement, it seems to me that it would be a useful step if
the IETF could at least figure out how to create a working
list along the lines of what Joe Touch posted. (Here are some
words. Here are some other words that you could / should /
might / ... consider using in place of them.)
Having such a list with some resemblance of IETF rough
consensus that following it is a good idea would help us move
forward without getting bogged down in either "whose job is a
formal decision?" or "when will there be an RSE?".
Such a list would, it seems to me, help genart reviewers at
least keep the question in mind.
Yes, but that takes me/us back to suggestions made weeks ago,
i.e.,
(i) We treat this IESG statement and the underlying I-D as
having done a great job of increasing the community's
sensitivity to the issues of choices of language, largely
independent or how those issues are defined.
(ii) We conclude that we really don't need to get to an official
vocabulary, especially an official negative or discouraged
vocabulary/ work list.
(iii) With the community's new-found sensitivity, we encourage
document reviewers, especially within WGs in addition to IETF LC
(or any particular review team) to spot unfortunate language as
they read through documents. When should language is spotted
(again, preferably early in the document life cycle) it should
lead to discussions with authors about whether the language is
appropriate and possible alternative. Reviews during IETF Last
Call (or later) and public comments on the language should be
viewed as a last resort although possibly a necessary one.
john
