Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu> writes: > > I don't know enough about how you're doing your distributing computing > > to have an opinion, but as for the other two... In my experience, > > IT managers are pretty unhappy punching holes in their firewalls > > for incoming SIP and IPsec, whether they run NAT or not. > > In my experience, IT managers are generally pretty unhappy changing > anything to support their users. People who actually use the computers > or the network are regarded as a nuisance. Exactly. So, why do you it's NATs that are the cause of users not getting the things they want, as opposed to the usual IT manager behavior. > > The bottom line here is what economists call "revealed preference". > > Maybe "revealed ignorance" would be a better term. Though I prefer > "unintended consequence". Huh? The IT managers could not use NAT if they wanted. What evidence do you have that they consider them a bad tradeoff? -Ekr -- [Eric Rescorla ekr@rtfm.com] http://www.rtfm.com/