> > In my experience, IT managers are generally pretty unhappy changing > > anything to support their users. People who actually use the > > computers or the network are regarded as a nuisance. > > Exactly. So, why do you it's NATs that are the cause of users > not getting the things they want, as opposed to the usual IT > manager behavior. good point. maybe the very reason that IT managers like NATs is that they make the users' lives more difficult, and they provide job security for IT managers who have to sort out NAT problems just so that things can work at all. but from the ones I've talked to, some combination of ignorance, brainwashing, and stupidity seems more likely. Keith