On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Pekka Savola wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:43:24 +0300 (EEST) > From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> > To: Scott Brim <sbrim@cisco.com> > Cc: ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: how to take minutes > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Scott Brim wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 05:54:25PM -0700, Randy Presuhn allegedly wrote: > > > Hi - > > > > > > Relatively few WG minute takers pay much > > > attention to the Mortimer/Agnes/Duane bullet in > > > http://www.ietf.org/instructions/minutes.html > > > > > > Is it time to update the web page to reflect actual practice? > > > > > > Might it be easier to get people to take minutes if they > > > realized that we're not asking for blow-by-blow transcripts? > > > > > > Some of these meeting notes that capture (some of) the words > > > but miss the point of the discussion. > > > > That last point is a useful one, but when I can't be at a meeting I > > strongly prefer blow-by-blow transcripts, even babbling, over just > > results. I want Meeting Notes with enough detail that I can pick out > > the motivations and other nuances. "Minutes", for the Proceedings, > > should not exclude them. > > I haven't written minutes for any IETF meeting myself, so perhaps I > shouldn't comment. But on the page: > > 'They should not follow a "Mortimer said," then "Agnes said," then "Duane > said," format, nor should they contain a detailed list of changes to a > document. While these forms may be helpful to the folks who actually > attend the sessions, they are less helpful to those who have a more > general interest in the groups' activities.' > > This makes an implicit assumption that anyone reading minutes is only > "generally interested" in the group's activities. > > I thought attendance in meetings for w.g. members was not supposed to be > necessary in the IETF? > > -- > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords You don't have to attend meetings because final decisons can't be made at meetings. Any tentative decisions or meeting consensus must be posted to the mailing list and the mailing list consensus is the actual decision. Donald ====================================================================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd dee3@torque.pothole.com 155 Beaver Street +1-508-634-2066(h) +1-508-851-8280(w) Milford, MA 01757 USA Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com