Re: [Gimp-web] Alexandre Prokoudine attacks on GIMP critics around the Web

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Lets look at this simple constrain to straight line method. I don't know of
other programs which allow pressure sensitivity to work with that although
maybe some do. That might make the tool unique.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 05:21, Ryan Stark <effluxion@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ardour is poor and there were lots of DAWs being developed on Linux
> (probably still are but I don't look into it any more). Paul at Ardour is
> arrogant. It doesn't matter if he is funded. That doesn't make Ardour a
> success in terms of how it works. If you install Reaper on Linux there is
> absolutely no comparison whatsoever and Reaper can be run free or a small
> licence charge. Ardour tried to be Protools. This is what not to do if you
> develop open source software. It has to have something unique about it.
> Blender has a lot of unique features. Another superb and unique open source
> program is Wings 3D. Simple but brilliantly designed. I love that program
> even although I don't use it much. This is what makes people have a passion
> about the software which is absolutely needed for open source. They can
> rightly claim that they have something better than what commercial software
> provides.
>
> If you look at what they are doing in the Mypaint brush engine. It is also
> unique. The new features in the brush engine can create results that are
> amazing and unlike any other program yet the basic concept is quite simple.
>
> Gimp certainly is trying to be a kind of Photoshop. It doesn't have enough
> unique features about it. One very cool absolutely unique feature that
> everybody actually ignores is that all the parameters can be controlled via
> MIDI. This beats any other method out there for hardware controlling even
> image editing software, in particular if you are using it for painting.
> However, the brush engine is painfully slow so what is the point.
>
> So there will never be a method to simply draw individual straight lines
> on the canvas without unnecessary tools appearing on the canvas? The bezier
> tool is for when you want to do precise things. Drawing simple lines is a
> different idea. This is why most other programs follow the simple command
> to constrain to a straight line.
>
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 03:18, Alexandre Prokoudine <
> alexandre.prokoudine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:42 AM Ryan Stark via gimp-developer-list wrote:
>> >
>>
>> You know, I started having my suspicions while reading your first
>> email where you complained that GIMP tries to do everything, then
>> proceeded complaining it is focused on photo editing rather than doing
>> other things (mutually exclusive statements).
>>
>> > Mypaint is different from Gimp because obviously the brush engine is
>> unique
>>
>> It's not unique. Several applications now use MyPaint's brush engine,
>> including GIMP. And that isn't even the only "difference" between
>> MyPaint and GIMP. They are conceptually different applications. Surely
>> I don't need to tell you about things like the infinite canvas?
>>
>> > but if Gimp was better Krita would not be needed in my opinion.
>>
>> People have always scratched their itches. What's the shocking news?
>>
>> > This is how audio programs gotdamaged on Linux. Several competing
>> projects.
>>
>> There is virtually zero competition among free/libre DAWs on Linux,
>> because there is just one functional DAW, which is Ardour.
>>
>> Everything else with the sole exception for Qtractor does MIDI
>> sequencing and some score editing, with overly simplistic audio
>> editing, because everything else is stuck in the early 2000s when the
>> Linux crowd thought that separating MIDI from audio was the real deal,
>> and JACK would rule them all (it didn't).
>>
>> Paul recognized the problem relatively early on, that's why MIDI
>> started being worked on around 2007.
>>
>> If you think there is any competition, try recording multiple audio
>> inputs into MusE or Rosegarden using external control surfaces, with
>> VCA for track groups, do quick fades and crossfades, then tell me how
>> it worked for you.
>>
>> > Ardour should have been the open source DAW but will never ever compete
>> now partly due to the arrogant style of development ethos.
>>
>> What are you even talking about? :)))
>>
>> > Open source audio is now completely dead because vastly superior
>> commercial apps moved onto Linux.
>> > There is absolutely no way now for an open source project to compete
>> with
>> > running for example Reaper on Linux.
>>
>> Open source audio is so dead that Paul's development efforts are fully
>> funded every month long before the month is over, and he gives the
>> spare funds to other contributors. Robin is paid by Harrison to work
>> on both Mixbus and Ardour. And original MIxbus team contribute to
>> Ardour on regular basis. That's how dead it is.
>>
>> > Gimp tries to be Photoshop
>>
>> It does not. I don't know where you are getting all these funny ideas
>> from :)
>>
>> > Saying that a bezier tool is somehow a step further than a simple tool
>> to
>> > draw straight lines is the sort of crazy idea that is exactly the
>> problem
>> > with Gimp. In Photoshop and other apps you click a key command and draw
>> a
>> > single line or lots of lines anywhere without even seeing any tool on
>> the
>> > canvas.
>>
>> You mean the latest Photoshop CC still has no clue how to show people
>> what they are drawing on the canvas? And that's great why, exactly?
>>
>> > It seems that in Gimp such a simple idea wasn't thought of. The
>> > shift command for drawing straight lines in Gimp doesn't achieve the
>> same
>> > very simple task.
>>
>> Yeah, better drawing tools are definitely in the plans. But If you
>> want us to show people blank canvas while they draw, then no, not
>> gonna happen.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>
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