I know, I know. Just saying. It would also have been funnier without the "trauma" part, ex. "I'm glad you found a support group.". Alright, see you. Bye. On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 12:47 PM C R <cajhne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Well clearly he was harassing you with his facts and sarcasm. > > You'll pull through though. I believe in you! > I've got to go now though. Have fun with whatever this is. > > (thread muted) > > -C > > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 11:42 Niccolo Brogi <nkkollaw@xxxxxxxxx wrote: > >> Why, Alexandre causes trauma..? I thought he was nice. >> >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 12:40 PM C R <cajhne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Happy you've found that support group you were looking for. :) >>> >>> Wishing you a speedy trauma recovery, >>> -C >>> >>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 11:04 Niccolo Brogi <nkkollaw@xxxxxxxxx wrote: >>> >>>> ...in the meantime, I'm getting emails from people that see the whole >>>> thing exactly like me, and I assume fear harassment and won't say it out >>>> loud. >>>> >>>> How sad is this culture you've created. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:50 AM C R <cajhne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As someone who has worked many years alongside (at the desk next to) >>>>> customer service reps, I can verify that no amount of organisation or >>>>> pleasantries can quell the entitlement of anyone who thinks you owe them >>>>> something. Be that x feature in GIMP, or x release date for the next GIMP. >>>>> People are very much the same in that regard, and it's crushing to have to >>>>> deal with it all the time. >>>>> >>>>> People can be banned from the mailing list if they make too much of a >>>>> fuss, but I have to say Alexander's way of handling things is a nearly >>>>> flawless mix of not taking any shit (which, after all, why should GIMP >>>>> contribs suffer this after donating time to provide free software for the >>>>> world?) and being concise and helpful to those who approach with a >>>>> constructive attitude (as part of the community). >>>>> >>>>> We have not always seen eye to eye on things, but I'm always learning >>>>> stuff about handing trollish behaviour from this mailing list, thanks >>>>> primarily to Alex, also recognising the behaviour in myself and doing my >>>>> best to avoid making the same mistakes as people who can only complain >>>>> rather than be helpful (Alex PMs me if I go to far to the ranty side, even >>>>> in his defence). So that definitely isn't broken. >>>>> >>>>> Alex saves us on a regular basis from having to deal with trolls on >>>>> all our media platforms while keeping all ports of communication open for >>>>> our users. >>>>> >>>>> Every project should have one, but he's ours! ;) >>>>> >>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>> -C >>>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 08:17 Alexandre Prokoudine via >>>>> gimp-developer-list <gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г., 6:40 Trevor Rose tarose.trevor@xxxxxxxxx: >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > 3 — the solution to the problem is to tighten up your communications >>>>>> > channels, and to use some other technology rather than just an >>>>>> email group, >>>>>> > and in which alternative system a person must be logged in, and >>>>>> each post, >>>>>> > thread and comment/reply is not only better organised, but can be >>>>>> > identified as per user ID, GROUP, and ROLE ... PLUS AND MOST >>>>>> IMPORTANTLY >>>>>> > you can constrain each unit of communication by using mandatory >>>>>> fields and >>>>>> > filters, in order to force clearer communication and remove some >>>>>> amount of >>>>>> > abuse, while also being able to ban anyone who takes their passion >>>>>> beyond >>>>>> > an accepted threshold/limit. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Trevor, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm afraid I'm not a big believer in technical constraints as means to >>>>>> manage a community. We have a history of making it difficult for >>>>>> people to >>>>>> contribute to GIMP in any way. I would hesitate to make it even >>>>>> harder. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your suggestion boils down to making initial communication more >>>>>> complicated >>>>>> while, indeed, more structured. It also seems to suggest some sort of >>>>>> pre-moderation which puts a heavier burden on those of us involved >>>>>> with >>>>>> moderation. >>>>>> >>>>>> So mailing lists are a tool that keeps communication open enough and >>>>>> takes >>>>>> just about the right amount of time to keep our sanity at the cost of >>>>>> rare >>>>>> outbursts like this one. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having said all that, I would still appreciate examples of what you >>>>>> consider superior communication channels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> gimp-developer-list mailing list >>>>>> List address: gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx >>>>>> List membership: >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list >>>>>> List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> Niccolo. >>>> >>> -- >> Niccolo. >> > -- Niccolo. _______________________________________________ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address: gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
