Well clearly he was harassing you with his facts and sarcasm. You'll pull through though. I believe in you! I've got to go now though. Have fun with whatever this is. (thread muted) -C On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 11:42 Niccolo Brogi <nkkollaw@xxxxxxxxx wrote: > Why, Alexandre causes trauma..? I thought he was nice. > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 12:40 PM C R <cajhne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Happy you've found that support group you were looking for. :) >> >> Wishing you a speedy trauma recovery, >> -C >> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 11:04 Niccolo Brogi <nkkollaw@xxxxxxxxx wrote: >> >>> ...in the meantime, I'm getting emails from people that see the whole >>> thing exactly like me, and I assume fear harassment and won't say it out >>> loud. >>> >>> How sad is this culture you've created. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 9:50 AM C R <cajhne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>> As someone who has worked many years alongside (at the desk next to) >>>> customer service reps, I can verify that no amount of organisation or >>>> pleasantries can quell the entitlement of anyone who thinks you owe them >>>> something. Be that x feature in GIMP, or x release date for the next GIMP. >>>> People are very much the same in that regard, and it's crushing to have to >>>> deal with it all the time. >>>> >>>> People can be banned from the mailing list if they make too much of a >>>> fuss, but I have to say Alexander's way of handling things is a nearly >>>> flawless mix of not taking any shit (which, after all, why should GIMP >>>> contribs suffer this after donating time to provide free software for the >>>> world?) and being concise and helpful to those who approach with a >>>> constructive attitude (as part of the community). >>>> >>>> We have not always seen eye to eye on things, but I'm always learning >>>> stuff about handing trollish behaviour from this mailing list, thanks >>>> primarily to Alex, also recognising the behaviour in myself and doing my >>>> best to avoid making the same mistakes as people who can only complain >>>> rather than be helpful (Alex PMs me if I go to far to the ranty side, even >>>> in his defence). So that definitely isn't broken. >>>> >>>> Alex saves us on a regular basis from having to deal with trolls on all >>>> our media platforms while keeping all ports of communication open for our >>>> users. >>>> >>>> Every project should have one, but he's ours! ;) >>>> >>>> Just my thoughts. >>>> -C >>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, 08:17 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list >>>> <gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx wrote: >>>> >>>>> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г., 6:40 Trevor Rose tarose.trevor@xxxxxxxxx: >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > 3 — the solution to the problem is to tighten up your communications >>>>> > channels, and to use some other technology rather than just an email >>>>> group, >>>>> > and in which alternative system a person must be logged in, and each >>>>> post, >>>>> > thread and comment/reply is not only better organised, but can be >>>>> > identified as per user ID, GROUP, and ROLE ... PLUS AND MOST >>>>> IMPORTANTLY >>>>> > you can constrain each unit of communication by using mandatory >>>>> fields and >>>>> > filters, in order to force clearer communication and remove some >>>>> amount of >>>>> > abuse, while also being able to ban anyone who takes their passion >>>>> beyond >>>>> > an accepted threshold/limit. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Hi Trevor, >>>>> >>>>> I'm afraid I'm not a big believer in technical constraints as means to >>>>> manage a community. We have a history of making it difficult for >>>>> people to >>>>> contribute to GIMP in any way. I would hesitate to make it even harder. >>>>> >>>>> Your suggestion boils down to making initial communication more >>>>> complicated >>>>> while, indeed, more structured. It also seems to suggest some sort of >>>>> pre-moderation which puts a heavier burden on those of us involved with >>>>> moderation. >>>>> >>>>> So mailing lists are a tool that keeps communication open enough and >>>>> takes >>>>> just about the right amount of time to keep our sanity at the cost of >>>>> rare >>>>> outbursts like this one. >>>>> >>>>> Having said all that, I would still appreciate examples of what you >>>>> consider superior communication channels. >>>>> >>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> gimp-developer-list mailing list >>>>> List address: gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx >>>>> List membership: >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list >>>>> List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list >>>>> >>>> -- >>> Niccolo. >>> >> -- > Niccolo. > _______________________________________________ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address: gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
