On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 13:10 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 12:17 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 11:43 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > But nooooo. Gotta keep having VTs so we can recover when X screws up. > > > I mean, it's the unix way. Which apparently means designing failure in > > > from the start, and calling it a feature. > > > > > > This is a bad design. The panic button doesn't make it better, it just > > > makes it okay to be even worse than the design requires. Take the > > > training wheels off already. > > > > Do you have an alternative suggestion? > > KMS. Move the setup and command submission bits of the driver into the > kernel, so the kernel always has the wherewithal to kick the X server > off the hardware. Run a new minimal display server on that, that isn't > X, but that can host a nested X server. Audit the display server and > kernel driver for correctness, which is now tractable since they're > small and in the right places. Emulate VTs under this display server, > and eviscerate most of the rest from the kernel. I'd forgotten about KMS. It certainly sounds promising, but when are we likely to see something useful? I know it's kind of supported on Intel video, but I think not to the extent you mean here. poc -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list