Re: F19 Installer a little better, but...

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On 2013-06-14 12:53 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:

On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 15:40 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

Mount point among the input fields appears above everything except (the
inexplicably present input field:) device name (duplicating the larger bolder
device name above it to left). One should be able to fill it in at any time,
including (logically top to bottom) first.

Well, no, because it's not a legitimate operation to assign a mount
point to a partition that is set to contain no filesystem. It can't be
mounted. Why should the configuration be allowed? If anaconda let you do
this, you could then complete custom part with a partition given a mount
point, but not containing a filesystem: what are you expecting anaconda
to do in this case? Write a nonsensical fstab? Implement an error
condition on trying to complete custom partitioning in this situation?

It's already running a sanity check by not allowing some fields to be completed prior to the secret prerequsite field. Why shouldn't the check be run when the user tries to exit the screen, with another of those little ! icons to indicate something's missing? Apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks at the done-exit point is when it makes good sense to do the check:

http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/yast2-04-expertPartChooseEdit0768.png
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/yast2-04-expertPart18Select0768.png
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/yast2-04-expertPart18Config0768.png
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/yast2-04-expertPart18Options0768.png

Why is that better than just not allowing a mount point to be set in the
first place until a filesystem is set?

Easier to avoid user being frustrated.

 Whatever is prerequisite to other
should be above other.

I'm not a UI expert, so I don't know if this is an accepted principle of
UI design. Might be good to ask Mo about.

In USA and elsewhere Latin alphabets are normal, people read left to right and top to bottom. Top to bottom is how forms are most commonly laid out. Forms usually also allow field completion in no particular order as long as all required receive valid entries. When a prerequisite exists, typically whatever it is prerequisite to is not presented or available before it's appropriate to complete. Anaconda has this latter, but the prerequsite is a secret.
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