On 2013-06-14 12:53 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 15:40 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Hardware, switching between a 15" 1024x768 LCD and a 19.8" visible CRT trying
to discover a way to make everything legible. At the time I was trying to get
a 1600x1200 screenshot of Anaconda from the installed F19 system, lack of
configured installation sources prevented it. So, as a substitute I created
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/anaconda19tc3-08softselect-1200-120.png
which is an excellent contextual showing of actual text sizes encountered on
the CRT with either resolution='1600x1200' on cmdline, or no gfx config
params specified on cmdline. NAICT, the smaller text being used is 9px, or
roughly 25% of comfortable to read if black on white rather than gray on
gray. On the CRT, besides being tiny, its all _very_ muddy looking compared
to looking at the same image on a 20" 1600x1200 LCD.
Once I zoom in on your screenshot, it does actually look roughly like
the installer looks in my VMs. I don't have any trouble reading that
text at all. Among the many other complaints other people have raised
about the installer, I don't recall one other person complaining about
text being too small.
Do you think people in the business of developing software or otherwise using
a PC for most of any given work day are people whose vision is below average?
I don't. I think quite the opposite, that those with poorer than average
vision gravitate away from using a PC screen any more than they must, that
many won't do it at all, and that few such people pursue occupations that
require doing more than a little that requires using a PC. Net result is most
in the puter business, including FOSS software testers, have both better than
average vision, and more importantly, little or no understanding of or
appreciation for the difficulties encountered by those who see less well.
People aren't complaining because the people doing are almost entirely made
up of a class of people with good vision, people who do it because they don't
have undue visual obstacles to doing it.
Imagine Joe's going to buy a PC with a bigger display than his old PC used.
Why bigger? Does he:
A-want more stuff to fit on his virtual desktop?
B-want the same stuff on his virtual desktop to be bigger?
C-want some of both A and B?
There is a considerable practical problem with making the text in the
installer any larger, which is that we'd wind up with far more 'all the
bits don't fit in the screen and the rendering is corrupt' bugs: we
already have problems with multiple spokes in multiple languages at
800x600, which are rather hard to fix.
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/anaconda19tc3-01welcome-1200-096.png
demonstrates several characteristics that cause legibility problems with
current Anaconda:
1-descriptive smaller text is (reduced contrast) gray, not black
2-font used is apparently Cantarell, which is a relatively diminutive
physical size for its nominal size compared to the more commonly used, and
Fedora configured system-wide default, DejaVu Sans
3-X DPI is forced to 96, which on the higher density 1600x1200 screen
installation and image were made on is in error by making everything 18.75%
shorter and narrower physically than its nominal size
4-nominal font size is 10pt, which in every legitimate web usability report
I've read is the recommended minimum size ever be used on the web, and then
only when other factors that reduce legibility are not present
5-Even its headings have shorter apparent x-height than default size and
family desktop UI text
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/anasoft0768v1200.jpg shows a 15" 1024x768 LCD
with closest face point vertically aligned with closest face point of below
19.8" CRT with preferred resolution 1600x1200. The former is 85.3 DPI, the
latter 101, or 18.4% (nominally) denser.
In the image, the top of the CRT frame has 4 blocks of 7 rows of "X Window
System with a choice of window manager" in sizes 6pt through 12pt. Those
words in the LCD measure 94mm wide. The same in the CRT measure 80mm wide.
Using width as the gauge of text size, the smaller display has (nominally)
17.5% bigger text. Based on the line lengths of 11pt & 12pt in the printed
Cantarell block, those 94mm 1024x768 lines are about 11.6pt. Based on the
line length of 10pt in the printed Cantarell block, those 80mm 1600x1200
lines are about 9.875pt, which would be closer to exactly 10pt on a 20"
1600x1200 LCD. To sum up, the 15" display is rendering text that is nominally
16%/34.6% physically bigger than the text on the nominally 33%/77.8%
physically bigger display.
So, if Joe is a type A guy, there is a reasonable chance Joe will be happy
getting so much more onto the bigger screen. Maybe he won't, if yet more but
smaller stuff to go along with it isn't expected or appreciated. OTOH, if Joe
is a type C guy, there's a virtual certainty he's not happy that everything
is so much smaller on his bigger, more expensive display.
So, what do the Anaconda devs have to offer type C people? Tell them to just
go away? Tell them to get smaller displays? Hire someone to install and
configure it specially?
Most store salesman probably don't know what display density means, much less
is for any given product on his display shelves. Maybe Joe doesn't get to
pick his display. Suggesting more astute display shopping is not likely
helpful or good PR.
What is Joe, or anyone else, supposed to do to experience less discomfort
installing, or even get Fedora installed at all? I tried Ctrl++. It doesn't
do anything. I looked for something on the initial boot screen. I didn't see
any mention of accessibility. Does A11Y not matter? Is Fedora intended just
for a visual elite?
BTW, this reply could have come much sooner but for hitting
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=974467 at least 9 times out of 10
in the mean time trying to get the photograph of two Anaconda screens at once.
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
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