Re: ardour 2.4 was out

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On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 17:40 -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 02:24:34PM -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>  > 
>  > On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 13:48 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
>  > > On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Hans de Goede wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > > Well since I seem to be talking to the right person now, I know you hate this 
>  > > > question, but ... how strongly would you object to having an rt kernel 
>  > > > variant within Fedora?
>  > > 
>  > > LOL.  I asked this question two years ago.  I doubt the answer has 
>  > > changed.  :)
>  > 
>  > But the situation HAS changed. A LOT. There is now (or is going to be) a
>  > realtime kernel in _RedHat Enterprise_ of all places. If it is good and
>  > stable for RHEL why wouldn't it be good for Fedora?
> 
> Largely a manpower thing.  We have staff we can throw at RHEL projects.
> Fedora, not so much. 

Yeah, sure, easy to understand (same here :-)
-- Fernando


> Supporting an extra kernel variant is a big deal.
> Given how understaffed the Fedora kernel team is in comparison to the
> workload dealing with incoming bugs etc, it's not something we should
> just do and hope for the best.   Even with the recent growth within
> our team, we're still totally buried with stuff to do with the non-rt kernel.
> 
>  > In the latest spins of my rt kernel I have actually used the patch set
>  > of the RHEL beta realtime kernel _and_ the patch set of the latest
>  > Fedora kernels [NOT fun to integrate!]
> 
> That's also an additional reason why we shy away from it for Fedora.
> Fedora needs to be lightweight enough that we can quickly move to newer
> upstream releases.  We lost a lot of agility when we were carrying Xen
> for exactly the same reason.  And the idea of 'well have kernel-rt be
> based on an earlier version' doesn't fly because then userspace has to
> deal with two possible environments (Another case where Xen burned us).


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