On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
Yep. And yet, we've got hundreds of volunteers doing exactly that in the
Fedora world.
That is good....
There are many open questions about the quality of these
packages, though.
At least the ones that I have looked at seem to be pretty good - but I
have not looked at really complicated stuff[*]. Of the ones the migrated
from Planet CCRMA I dare say they got better (less hacks I guess :-).
Heh. Well, that's the benefit of all those heinous guidelines. :)
The alleged benefit for you, Nando, would be to cut your workload by a
significant amount. But that clearly isn't happening.
Well, it _has_ happened, just not to the degree, or as fast as we
expected it to happen. Part of it may be that there are more options now
in terms of distributions and users have migrated over the years to
other distros, and some of those may be audio apps packagers as well.
Right.
So this is a conversation that I'm having, in some form or another, all
across the Fedora universe. Step 1, for me, was to make sure that Fedora
functioned as an actual *community*. Mission accomplished, more or less.
So step 2 is basically marketing, and showing everybody how awesome Fedora
and Fedora-related projects can be.
The absence of CCRMA from that survey that got passed around the
ccrma-list a coupld of months back really stuck in my craw, I must say.
But that's our fault, to some degree.
So maybe the question is, how do we promote CCRMA?
I think one way we promote it by noting who does the work. "Maintained by
professors at Stanford" has got to be a pretty big selling point.
I know that a lot of people don't have much stomach for this kind of work,
but it's important, especially in community projects, to generate
excitement around excellent work. Nobody puts Nando in a corner. :)
It may well be that CCRMA should continue to be fully independent, but
have a much stronger base of Fedora packages to draw from,
That has already happened I think, there's a lot of stuff that I used to
package in the, say, Fedora 1 or RedHat 9 days that now comes directly
from Fedora. You know, general purpose support packages that other
packages need to be able to build. Or even music related stuff like
Csound.
We can thank OLPC for that.
I forgot to add that we have extended Planet CCRMA to embrace CentOS
(ahem!) as well. Arnaud Gomes-do-Vale at IRCAM had been supporting that
option for a while (a fantastic job) and I finally came through and
installed plague and friends in our build server so that a build system
and shared svn repo for specs and all that is in place. So there's a lot
more help than before (for example the packaging for LV2 that I just
released was done by Arnaud).
Honestly, I think that this is a big advantage for Fedora. The
CentOS/Fedora partnership is becoming quite strong indeed, since the goals
are so similar. No worries on this end. :)
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