On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 20:46 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote: > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 06:25:11PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > > > Of _course_ it's not about specific cases. That would require actual > > substantiated facts which can be verified or disproved; not just > > handwaving and ranting. > > I answered to Rex giving a specific case, regarding ConsoleKit and > various dm breakage. You want the bugzilla entries or you trust me? /me looks back... On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 15:06 +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote: > It is not that simple. The distinction between fedora and upstream in > many cases is rather fuzzy. For example the hal/dbus/consoleKit/*Kit is > put in fedora when it is at early development stages, and many of the > developpers involved in these are also involved in fedora. And the > changes are pushed in fedora without taking seriously the backward > compatibility issues. For example wdm and xdm (and slim) are broken > since consolekit replaced pam_console, and although there is a rather > simple solution to integrate those dm it has never been planned and it > is still not fixed, though a fix exist for months. As long as it worked > in gdm it was fine for fedora. You can tell, hey, xdm, wdm and slim can > copy what gdm does, but when the solution implemented in gdm is specific > and not consistent with the previous designs, it is not so easy. Fedora > controls some upstream so can do anything in these, but doesn't control > all of them. Yeah, that sucks. We should do better than that. Although I've always been a little dubious about our 'Feature Process', it does seem that it addresses this kind of problem. For the feature to reach 100% completion, it should obviously involve fixes for the other display managers. And there is a 'reversion plan' in case we don't manage to complete the feature in time for the release. >From what you say above, it sounds like the ConsoleKit feature should be declared incomplete, and we should be reverting it unless the feature owners finish the job. -- David Woodhouse Open Source Technology Centre David.Woodhouse@xxxxxxxxx Intel Corporation -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
