Le lundi 15 septembre 2008 à 18:41 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski a écrit : > On Monday, 15 September 2008 at 17:48, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > > > Le Lun 15 septembre 2008 17:32, Seth Vidal a écrit : > > > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 16:42 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > >> > So because it doesn't work for you its not allowed to work for me? > > >> > > >> Just because it works for you does not mean it's healthy in general. > > >> > > > > > > 'healthy in general'? I'd love to see how we determine that criteria. > > > > > > So, yah - let's not play this game, shall we? > > > > > > Here is my question: > > > - does the presence of the text console limit the ability for the X > > > interfaces to work? I think the answer is no. > > > - does the presence of the text console make a considerable impact on > > > the available development time of the poeple working on X? I'd have to > > > see some numbers that say otherwise but the answer still feels like > > > no. > > > > We have all sorts of packaging rules designed to avoid hitting console > > limitations and problems. > > > > Every few months we have people filling bugs because the presence of > > two text stacks confuses them and they don't understand why things > > working in one do not work in the other (and that's the people who do > > fill bugs. they tend to be from asian countries where people > > under-report problems). > > Bugzilla links, please. Unfortunately, the last one I remember was so generally worded I can't find a significant keyword to nail it in google > > We have spin teams that do not install the default distro font set to > > make room for stuff like the console, and then ask for help because it > > broke X text on some locale. > > Bugzilla/mailing list links, please. https://fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts/browser/fedora-live-xfce.ks?rev=13934a0984417b545411c59fae3ccda8fa34e297 http://www.deadbabylon.de/blog/2007/11/08/create-your-own-localized-version-of-fedora-8-live-kde/ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445291 The first reflex of a spin author is always to drop fonts to "save space" and keeping two different font sets does not help choosing the right ones to drop. Spin space is contended. > > So console support is not free for the rest of the distro. And I'd be > > happy to applaud this cost, if someone actively maintained the console > > (instead of playing the "touch nothing, if something broke that's the > > distro fault" game). > > These ARE good arguments. Why didn't you use them in the first place > instead of hand-waving? I've stated several times I was a layout maintainer in kbd and xkb. (This is easy to check either in google or greping those component credits.) Anyone that follows this list knows I contribute to the fonts SIG. I'd say this is qualification enough to have an opinion on the console state. And if you do not know what that means, please do not talk about handwaving. -- Nicolas Mailhot
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