Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

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> Am 27.05.2022 um 17:37 schrieb Vitaly Zaitsev via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> 
> On 27/05/2022 15:30, Peter Boy wrote:
>> Really sorry, but such a statement is simply intellectual bullshit. Unfortunately, it is not possible to formulate this in a more friendly yet unambiguous way. And in this thread in particular, the many allegations, unclouded by any expertise but made all the more decisively, are simply annoying - and a huge waste of everyone’s time in the long run.
> 
> But it's true.
> 
> One of my packages had a bundled library with 6 critical vulnerabilities (outdated for 5 years). The upstream developers said they didn't care because they needed their app to run under Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. Fixed it manually by switching to the packaged version.
> 
> Another package had bundled OpenSSL, which was 3 years out of date.

Yes, but your examples and experiences are not related to a lib bundled or not, but it is about the effort a maintainer puts in their package. We had also (unbundled) libs, which were outdated and we had to wait a long time until a vulnerability was fixed.

And given the high quality of our openjdk packages and given experiences of the last nearly 2 decades with the regularity of updates, I’m sure we get an openjdk update as soon as an issue with one of the bundled libs arises. 


And as an afterthought:
Sorry for the wording. I was (and I am) seriously annoyed by this thread (and some others of that kind). 

We have had such excellent Java JDKs for years and right now in the last 4 major JDK versions in parallel, that is just great!  It is allowing any developer to test their software in a comprehensive and enterprise ready manner. 

This deserves unrestricted respect and not this nagging about problems that are claimed but do not exist. If someone is not so well versed in Java universe, no problem. Everyone is welcome to ask questions, but not to throw any wild assertions into the room. 


Thanks
Peter



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