Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (System-Wide Change proposal)

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> Am 27.05.2022 um 14:00 schrieb Vitaly Zaitsev via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
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> Bundled libraries are always outdated and even vulnerable. 

Really sorry, but such a statement is simply intellectual bullshit. Unfortunately, it is not possible to formulate this in a more friendly yet unambiguous way. And in this thread in particular, the many allegations, unclouded by any expertise but made all the more decisively, are simply annoying - and a huge waste of everyone’s time in the long run. 

With technically correct workflow, there is at least a time x where the included libs are not outdated and where vulnerability is unknown at worst. How someone comes up with "always" is beyond me.

And whether to include a lib in a package is a tradeoff between various pros and cons. Depending on the circumstances, the result is different. 

The Change proposal correctly includes several reasons for consideration. And no viable argument has yet been put forward as to why the consideration given is *necessarily* incorrect. 

Several conceivable alternatives would also be viable. But as long as no one is directly affected in a negative way and no one comes forward to do the work involved with an alternative, .... 


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