On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 10:46 AM Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 09:56:43AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 9:38 AM Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > I'm far less convinced FESCo formally voting is beneficial > > > for (uncontroversial) self-contained changes, where the goal > > > of the maintainer is largely just to make sure people have > > > awareness of what's coming down the pipe. > > > > > > > It can seem like that at first glance and then turn out to not be so. > > That was the case with the debuginfod Change[1]. I was not the one > > that slowed that Change down, in fact I was *very* enthusiastic about > > it. However, Zbigniew had concerns[1] that led to further development > > upstream that made a better feature overall for when it was finally > > approved. > > > > [0]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DebuginfodByDefault > > [1]: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2597#comment-728404 > > The concerns Zbigniew mentions there deserved answers. Did those > answers need to be obtained in a formal interactive FESCo meeting, > as opposed to being handled on fedora-devel. The information and > discussion about the change ended up split across fedora-devel, > the meeting IRC logs, and the pagure ticket. Just feels like an > uncessary complication to me looking in, and makes it harder to > follow the discussion after the fact due to the split of forums. > > > > Is there scope for having self-contained changes implicitly > > > approved 2 weeks after being posted to Fedora devel list > > > in absence of controversy ? In that 2 week period, if someone > > > raises an objection that does not get a satisfactorily resolved > > > through discussion, they could raise an explicit request for a > > > FESCo vote on the change as a last resort. > > > > > > > We lazy approve after three weeks of no objections from the time it > > was posted to the list. This is true for both system-wide and > > self-contained changes. > > Maybe I'm mis-understanding what you mean by lazy approved ? My > understanding was that everything ends up with a formal FESCo > ticket created from the moment the change is published and thus > gets voted on ? > If there are no "-1" votes, it gets accepted. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
