Hi, On 7/7/21 1:08 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Neal Gompa: > >> Wait, why don't we have guile 3.0? > > We have a mandate from Fesco that the core toolchain must depend on > Guile. Naturally that makes updates rather difficult. So I've gone and checked the Fesco issue where dropping guile support from make + gdb was discussed: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2558 And I must say that I find the argumentation for rejecting the change very very weak. I would really expect Fesco to make better motivated decisions then this one. I'm especially shocked about how Fesco is in essence mandating a group of maintainers to spend time maintaining a feature where they clearly have indicated they don't want to maintain that feature. My being shocked here is not so much about the guile issue, but about a IMHO much bigger issue underlying this decision: Since when does Fesco get to mandate on which features our volunteer maintainers get to spend there time ? I understand there need to be rules and I can understand Fesco denying approval for enabling / adding certain features for a wide set of reasons, thus in essence blocking volunteers from spending time on something because that something is deemed undesirable for Fedora. But this is different here Fesco is telling a group of maintainers that they must maintain a feature even though they have indicated that they find the benefits of that feature not worth the amount of time it costs to maintain support for that feature. So in essence Fesco is telling the maintainers that they MUST spend time maintaining this even though they don't want this. IMHO this is just outrageous and goes way way beyond the purview of Fesco. Now if dropping this feature would cause major breakage this would a different story, But in the whole discussion about this, at least as documented in the Fesco issue, no actual users of this feature have been indentified and nothing will break by disabling this as far is is known. So since there is no known breakage caused by this, I end up circling back to this basically telling Fesco that the make/gdb timers MUST spend them on maintaining this even though they don't want to (and have good reasons for not wanting to). Which again, is IHMO pretty outrageous really. Sorry Fesco, I know that you all do a lot of (hard) work as Fesco members and do your best when making decisions like this; and I don't doubt that your intentions where well, but you made a big booboo here (IMHO). I urge Fesco to reconsider this and I suggest that we (Fedora) take another serious look at implementing: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RemoveGuileFromToolchain for Fedora 35. Regards, Hans _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
